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Jarnis McPieksu
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Posted - 2014.05.18 06:34:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:basically I think forcing people to do freighter runs would be really neat, and add to the game.
Having played in 2005 when these were a thing, I will respectfully disagree with you.
Turning null logistics into escorted freighter runs would immediately kill what little 0.0 industrial activity there is. Such escort fleets would be hotdropped to bits and the losses would make any 0.0 logistics uneconomical. You underestimate how much goods have to move between 0.0 and Jita so the current gameplay works.
Removing JF jump drives would just make everyone turn into Titan-bridged freighters, upping the barrier of entry for nullsec to "got some titans, yo?". Removing Titan-bridged freighters would cause people to switch to anything that can be Titan-bridged - T2 haulers etc - in large quantities. Only by outright removing Titan bridges you could potentially see actual freight escort ops. Which would then die in a fire and there would be no 0.0 logistics. Everyone would live off a High sec/Low sec border and null would be much less populated in a hurry.
The whole issue boils down to this: Operating margins in EVE are small. They currently cannot price in any kind of losses due to unintended rapid disassembly of cargo ships. Changing this will have far-reaching unintended consequences.
And no, current changes will not change anything substantial. JFs will fit capital T2 cargo rigs (cheap!) and there will be a few more JF ganks due to slower align times and everyone carries on with some extra cargo capacity per run to offset the fuel consumption increases. In high sec freighters will choose between several rig types depending on their needs. Autopiloters will rig for more EHP to try stave off ganks, manual piloters will rig either align or cargo rigs, depending on the type of cargo - many will end up having two freighters in the hangar, one for pricy cargo, one for bulk cargo. Freighter manufacturers everyone will rejoice. Capital rig manufacturers everywhere will rejoice. Life goes on.
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Jarnis McPieksu
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Posted - 2014.05.21 04:23:00 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Ladies and gentlemen this is your nightly message to let you know that I've caught up to this point in the thread and that we still have not forgotten about you.  There's a version two of the design currently posted for the CSM in their internal forums, they've responded largely positively so far. I'm going to let them think about it overnight and if all looks good we'll post the proposal for public feedback tomorrow. Thanks as always! Here's to hoping version two won't cost freighter and JF pilots an arm and a leg (an then some). I still stand by a lot of others convinced that freighters/JFs should never have even been messed with, but if you guys are determined to do so, rigs are kind of a ****** option to go with.
No, it must cost an arm and leg. How am I otherwise going to shift all this super-pricy T2 salvage and the T2 capital rigs I already built!
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Jarnis McPieksu
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Posted - 2014.05.21 15:01:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:I want to take this opportunity to remind people that pre-patch market speculation is never guaranteed and CCP takes no responsibility for any isk lost from speculation.
I'll wipe my tears into the pile of ISKies (~3bil) I made through T2 salvage purchase/sale instead of the theoretical potential 4-5bil had there been a solid T2 capital rig market with the patch and will somehow manage
(anyone want to buy some Capital Cargohold I BPCs? cheap!  ) |
Jarnis McPieksu
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Posted - 2014.05.21 15:24:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Obviously, any market changes occurring between CSM evaluation and public release are completely coincidental.
SISI already had a version of the client earlier today where Jump Freighters no longer had rigs and suddenly had a "100% reduction in CPU requirements for reinforced bulkheads". No lowslots either but the fact that they had this bizzarro-bonus...
Some made the speculative call that this pointed towards lowslot-based design and reacted.
I waited for the official word and paid ~0.5 bil for that but it is okay... |
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